[Hplusroadmap] Fwd: [ExI] [wta-talk] Transhumanism in wikipedia - A Call for Max

[Bryan Bishop]

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From: Amara Graps <amara at amara.com>
Date: May 8, 2008 9:45 PM
Subject: [ExI]  [wta-talk] Transhumanism in wikipedia - A Call for Max
To: wta-talk at transhumanism.org, extropy-chat at lists.extropy.org


Damien Sullivan phoenix at ugcs.caltech.edu :
 >What's wrong with it?  Inaccurate?  I thought it was fine.  Unexciting?

 It too heavily emphasizes technologies over the processes of change,
 natural and otherwise.

 It portrays the ideas as belonging to a kind of elite group
 ('intelligensia').

 It portrays the holders of such ideas to attract large enemies and then
 expands on those 'detractors' for more than half of the article.

 Its history is, in my opinion, a crime of inaccuracy, not only missing
 the last decades when the word 'transhuman' was in use, but missing the
 last 2000+ years, when the basic ideas were being implemented, or trying
 to be implemented, and more importantly _debated_.

 The Theory section that follow the History section is lacking the same
 background depth.

 The Aims section barely gives a subsection of the 'large picture' of :

 Living: Longer, Smarter, Stronger. I.e. the myriad of ways that human
 lives can be improved with research, education, smart investments in our
 future, and how to help ourselves build the social, political, and
 cultural structures to make all of that happen.

 The Ethics section misses completely the most important idea of
 self-ownership and responsibility.

 In the Currents section -

        it gives equal weight to the real or fictitious
        subgroups, and there is one little line devoted to
        Extropians, which was, in fact, a prominent
        carrier of the ideas for more than 15 years.

        There is way too much space devoted to
        Spirituality and 'soul' in this article.

        Uploading is barely described. Instead it goes
        into a criticism, almost immediately. Strange for
        a topic that generates endless discussion (ad
        nauseum) on mailing lists for almost 20 years,
        hmm?


 In the Practice section, it is missing *most* of the daily life
 practices, that people are using to live longer, smarter, stronger.
 Vaccination, contraceptives, smart nutrition, exercise, assisted
 reproductive technologies (which is mentioned in _one place only_ in the
 'Postgenderism' line of Currents!). The latter is quite strange for a
 topic that generates enough heat to be banned in some countries, no? The
 section is also missing mind tricks, meditations, and all of those
 do-it-yourself practices that people in our community have been trying
 and 'doing' for decades.

 Similarly for the 'Technologies of Interest'; there are large holes
 missing. What about space technologies, quantum computing, large-scale
 'computing at home' efforts, evolutionary psychology insights,
 efforts to solve the energy problems, SENS research, technologies for
 democratization of societies?

 AND NOT A SINGLE WORD ABOUT HAVING FUN.

 This article is, in my opinion a gross distortion of
 Transhuman/extropian ideas, as I've known them for the last 20 years.


 Amara


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 Amara Graps, PhD      www.amara.com
 Research Scientist, Southwest Research Institute (SwRI), Boulder, Colorado
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