[Hplusroadmap] Fwd: [BBF Standards] Input/output

[Bryan Bishop]

On Monday 11 February 2008, Eugen Leitl wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 11, 2008 at 05:06:23PM -0600, Bryan Bishop wrote:
> > Yes, that's what I was thinking as well. In computer architecture,
> > we have specific address buses and we are able to figure out where
> > messages come from (actually, their positioning on the input device
> > tells us, by definition). But in a cell, we have molecular
> > gradients to deal with, and the communication just does *not* work
> > this way. There needs to be a way to transform our usual
> > programming expectations into this wetware situation.
>
> Have you considered the possibility that there is no human-parseable
> mapping into the problem space? People do emergence and massive

No, not yet. That is an interesting suggestion. But ultimately, bacteria 
are less complex than humans, and therefore we should be able to solve 
these aspects of problem space -- by the theories of information 
theoretics as expressed by Shannon, Kolmogorov, and Chaitin. This has 
some connections to comp sci that I'll be spending some time thinking 
about.

> parallelism very badly. Sequential processes and processivity are
> mutually exclusive. Brew a cup of tea, and think about it for a
> while.

Mutually exclusive? Interesting, interesting. From my studies, all 
parallel processes have a mapping to linear solutions. Bacteria is 
parallel (even if the cell is a linear/singular unit) -- and so there 
must be a linear solution to this problem space (as you call it).

But these sorts of theoretical studies are somewhat useless, the only 
way that an interface to bacteria is going to be found is via hard 
research, latching on to some molecule or system that can be thoroughly 
explored in the lab or the petri dish, so I agree with your increasing 
bluntness, but what then makes this "wacky shit" ? Didn't you just get 
done emphasizing to Z the importance of preparatory work, research, and 
more work before he cuts into that rat??

> > There's tons more on neuroengineering -- there's all sorts of
> > brains in a jar, neurons in a dish, MEAs, brain implants, and so
> > on. It is somewhat my specialty interest. See the Innerspace
> > Foundation, they say
>
> This stuff is not done by blah-blah. This is science, as in: not
> computer science, and this is hard. As long as you don't get your

First, this is not "blah-blah" -- this is pulling in research documents, 
analyzing the information, making generalizations and providing a 
community infrastructure on the internet to make things happen.

> hands wet yourself, you won't understand how your expectations and
> reality will differ.

Second, I agree that wet experience is important. To all of us.

> So, please, instead of posting wacky shit on the internets: spend

Wacky shit? 

> some time in the problem space. It will take time, frustrate you to

Yes. I am looking into a few lab positions in the background.

> no ends, but also give you a feel of the realities in the problem
> space.

- Bryan
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